Wednesday 6 September 2017

Women and Status

I've written about women and status before, What do women want? and in a few other places as well. Yesterday I was in a former bank, a bank where the bank manager would live and it was pointed out that until the 1980's being a bank manager or even working in a bank was quite prestigious. It was a steady job with a good wage and good security. That got me to thinking about why that is no longer true.

Certainly like nearly all jobs, working in a bank is no longer as secure a job as it once was. But the real change has been that banking staff have gone from being a predominately male occupation to being a predominately female one. In fact when I go to the bank it's a rare bank were even a quarter of the staff are men. Women have displaced men and it has not been an accident, it has been by design. But that has meant that in return banking has become less prestigious. In fact any occupation that becomes female dominated loses status. Why?

Because men are hierarchical and women are not. A man want to know who's in charge and exactly where he belongs. Women like to arrive at a consensus, to arrive at a place where everybody is happy with the outcome. But to achieve that women need to engage in constant negotiations. Men however make decisions and give orders. The different ways men and women behave is why strong women are seem as bitches. To be direct is a masculine way of communication and neither men nor women find it natural coming from a women, it goes against the grain.

So as an occupation becomes female dominated, the men within that field look for ways to get out and new men become reluctant to join. Feminists state that it is because men cannot handle strong women, but the truth is that it becomes a place were male virtues are seen as undesirable. And where female traits take over, cooperation instead of direct and clear lines. It involves much more talking and familiarity then most men are comfortable with.

An occupation that loses men also lose status, men are taller, more decisive, more direct, more uniform, more impersonal and competitive. Which means that women are shorter, less decisive or direct, more individual and more personal but less competitive. Companies love women because they are less confrontational, more conformist, more attractive and less competitive. That is not to say women are perfect employees, they get sicker more often, they have much more personal issues and they can produce a toxic and destructive workplace even if that is rare.

This lose of status affects women as women like status, it is why women love job titles. But it also means that women can become trapped by these symbols. Instead of having real achievements they have symbols. Instead of having a Husband and a family they instead have the symbol of a successful life, which is not the same thing at all.

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6 comments:

  1. the truth is that it becomes a place where male virtues are seen as undesirable. And where female traits take over, cooperation instead of direct and clear lines.

    This is very true of my profession, teaching. It is not 100% along the lines of sex, with men preferring one way of organising teaching and women another, as there are male academics who push the more feminine style and some female teachers who long for a more masculine style. But in general your point holds true. The female style has some advantages but I don't think it draws out the better aspirational nature of boys, nor does it really allow male teachers to model masculine norms and behaviours to boys. It becomes more about informal relationships and having an entertaining style, which can be effective in keeping students on side, but which doesn't cultivate masculine character in boys.

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  2. "men are....more uniform"

    "women are....more individual"

    I guess we have different definitions of uniform and individual. They is no more obvious an example of a herd animal than a woman. Look at what women do. They adopt a female role that is approved by other hens. The female may be a breeder, a slut, a career woman, a goth, a "hippie", etc., but they will be just like everyone else in that group. Stereotypical. Because the herd tells them that's how those "roles" are to be played. In fact, do you actually know any original women?

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    1. James

      Women are more individual in very important ways, they all like to look different, men don't. They also have very particular likes and dislikes, they are much more specific then men. It's why women are so bitchy with each other, they are too individualistic. It is also why they spend so much time sorting out those differences. With men once a hierarchy has been established then things start to happen, that is not true for women.

      I accept your point about women adhering to a narrow band, this is a paradox but still true.

      Mark Moncrieff

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  3. I think you are confusing the fact that women don't want to look different as much as they want to look good. So they spend an inordinate amount of time on makeup, hair, clothes, how they walk, if they are fashionable, etc. Men, as a whole, don't wear their hair long so they don't have to spend time everyday making sure it is "just perfect". Since there are fewer men's hairstyles and fewer men's clothes, they don't have to worry about "looking" unique. We don't need to. Men realize that it is what you say and do that determines your identity and character, not what you wear or how your hair is styled or if you are wearing the latest fad clothing. Men realize how shallow that is. For women, to look good is better than to feel good or be good.

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    1. James

      I am not confused but you need to work on your reading comprehension skills. I listed three things that make women more individualistic, but you only noticed one!

      And if women only want to look good, why do so many fail at it? Bad clothes, bad make up, bad hairstyles. We have all seen it.

      Mark Moncrieff

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    2. Yeah, some women are ugly and quit trying because they no longer have to catch a man.

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