Bombing Germany - Melbourne Traditionalists Podcast - Episode Thirty Five
Was the bombing of Germany in WWII justified? I got into a debate on this topic and thought that I would go into more detail on the podcast. I go into why bombing took place, what it achieved and why it helped the Allies win the war.
I’m sure I agree with you, normally taking the stance that RAF bombing, including Dresden, was justified on legal, practical and moral grounds; that while it might not have been the war-winning weapon pre-war theorists hoped, it contributed immensely to the eventual Allied victory; that, given we only reacted to German escalations, one could frame the RAF bombing campaign in terms of the ‘Prisoner’s Dilemma’ of Game Theory, which teaches Co-operate (abide by rules) but retaliate if opponent Defects, then forgive (return to Co-operating) if opponent returns to Co-operating—so we Co-operated, the Germans Defected (Coventry, London, Liverpool, Glasgow, Belfast, etc.) and we Defected in turn, ultimately just Defecting more effectively than the Germans could. But I would then acknowledge that, while defending British & Commonwealth conduct, what we did, however necessary, was, frankly, horrible. And I would here quote Moldbug (2007), Hoppe (2001), George Robert Gleig (1821), Mark Pattison (1877), J.F.C. Fuller (1932), Guglielmo Ferrero (1933), Viscount Hailsham (1947), Erik Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn (1952) and William Aylott Orton (1969), all similarly describing or illustrating in their own ways how the more egalitarian and ‘democratic’ societies have become, the more murderous, savage and indiscriminate have been our methods of warfare. And finish with riffing off a line by Golda Meir: We will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Germans for slaughtering our loved ones, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to slaughter theirs.
However… …it feels like fiddling while Rome burns. An entire population under house arrest. Road blocks preventing movement. Dog-walkers menaced by the filth’s drones. The filth prohibiting the selling of Easter eggs and other items not deemed by them ‘essential’. Our citizens crossing the road to avoid each other, spying on each other and snitching to the filth. And latest escalation is ‘Government cracks down on spread of false coronavirus information online’—and does that mean genuinely false information (routinely spread by media and govt., such as ‘Mother, 65, with no underlying health problems dies from coronavirus …’—65! and chronically obese; and corona diagnosis is based on the fevered guesswork of hysterical relatives)? Or does it mean simply raising doubts about the govt. narrative? If only it was just Britain, we could look on amazed at how Parliament and its minions suddenly spazzed out, going collectively insane. But it seems to be the entire world—there seems nowhere to escape to, if one were able (even occupied France only suffered a night curfew). This increasingly feels like the collapse of civilisation—and far faster than Rome did.
The old causes are obsolete. The old world is dead.
I’m sure I agree with you, normally taking the stance that RAF bombing, including Dresden, was justified on legal, practical and moral grounds; that while it might not have been the war-winning weapon pre-war theorists hoped, it contributed immensely to the eventual Allied victory; that, given we only reacted to German escalations, one could frame the RAF bombing campaign in terms of the ‘Prisoner’s Dilemma’ of Game Theory, which teaches Co-operate (abide by rules) but retaliate if opponent Defects, then forgive (return to Co-operating) if opponent returns to Co-operating—so we Co-operated, the Germans Defected (Coventry, London, Liverpool, Glasgow, Belfast, etc.) and we Defected in turn, ultimately just Defecting more effectively than the Germans could.
ReplyDeleteBut I would then acknowledge that, while defending British & Commonwealth conduct, what we did, however necessary, was, frankly, horrible. And I would here quote Moldbug (2007), Hoppe (2001), George Robert Gleig (1821), Mark Pattison (1877), J.F.C. Fuller (1932), Guglielmo Ferrero (1933), Viscount Hailsham (1947), Erik Ritter von Kuehnelt-Leddihn (1952) and William Aylott Orton (1969), all similarly describing or illustrating in their own ways how the more egalitarian and ‘democratic’ societies have become, the more murderous, savage and indiscriminate have been our methods of warfare. And finish with riffing off a line by Golda Meir: We will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Germans for slaughtering our loved ones, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to slaughter theirs.
However…
…it feels like fiddling while Rome burns. An entire population under house arrest. Road blocks preventing movement. Dog-walkers menaced by the filth’s drones. The filth prohibiting the selling of Easter eggs and other items not deemed by them ‘essential’. Our citizens crossing the road to avoid each other, spying on each other and snitching to the filth. And latest escalation is ‘Government cracks down on spread of false coronavirus information online’—and does that mean genuinely false information (routinely spread by media and govt., such as ‘Mother, 65, with no underlying health problems dies from coronavirus …’—65! and chronically obese; and corona diagnosis is based on the fevered guesswork of hysterical relatives)? Or does it mean simply raising doubts about the govt. narrative?
If only it was just Britain, we could look on amazed at how Parliament and its minions suddenly spazzed out, going collectively insane. But it seems to be the entire world—there seems nowhere to escape to, if one were able (even occupied France only suffered a night curfew). This increasingly feels like the collapse of civilisation—and far faster than Rome did.
The old causes are obsolete. The old world is dead.