tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-190326263026916588.post1921642773709858424..comments2024-03-04T21:50:12.306+11:00Comments on Upon Hope: Why Do People Keep Voting the Same Way?Mark Moncrieffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07988061141727262837noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-190326263026916588.post-64535855373977627752015-09-05T17:09:14.198+10:002015-09-05T17:09:14.198+10:00But another reason why the minor parties don't...<em>But another reason why the minor parties don't achieve lift off is that the media/education system influences enough people to toe the official line.</em><br /><br />Very true but the problem is much worse than that. Any minor party that looks to have the slightest chance of gaining even a share of political power will be subjected to a campaign of smears, vilification, fear-mongering and hysteria. One Nation was very quickly destroyed in Australia. UKIP was dealt with in the same way in the run-up to the last British election, and so successfully that it seems unlikely UKIP will ever again be a threat.<br /><br />And it's not just the power of the local elites that minor parties have to worry about. Does anyone seriously think the United States would allow a nationalist government to survive in western Europe? Or Australia for that matter.dfordoomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02306293859869179118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-190326263026916588.post-58789622923126802692015-08-29T21:16:47.807+10:002015-08-29T21:16:47.807+10:00People keep voting the way they do for what Americ...People keep voting the way they do for what Americans call "gibsmedat". Modern Westerners could care less about duty, honour or any other moral considerations, the only thing they are interested in are bread and circuses. Nationalist parties are partly successful because they promise to restore the collapsing welfare state in all its glory by kicking out foreigners. Dutch military don't have enough ammo for practicing but we do have subsidised daycare. It kinda shows where our priorities are. Sannehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08124283361844607678noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-190326263026916588.post-13961384465473225102015-08-28T22:25:18.096+10:002015-08-28T22:25:18.096+10:00Agree with your point about practical concerns. Pl...Agree with your point about practical concerns. Plenty of people live under pressure and so don't really have the space to think deeply about political issues - they are struggling to get by. But another reason why the minor parties don't achieve lift off is that the media/education system influences enough people to toe the official line.Mark Richardsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-190326263026916588.post-83759107946290864292015-08-26T03:58:23.462+10:002015-08-26T03:58:23.462+10:00Mr. Stamp
I'm afraid you've got the wrong...Mr. Stamp<br /><br />I'm afraid you've got the wrong end of the stick. My last post asked the question "Would people have voted for this society?". Not whether people would vote to reverse them. My point was not about how people would vote on them if they had the chance. My point was that they are illegitimate as we were never given the chance to vote on them. <br /><br />Mark MoncrieffMark Moncrieffhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07988061141727262837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-190326263026916588.post-52239056293088206202015-08-25T23:07:06.566+10:002015-08-25T23:07:06.566+10:00There is another possibility, that people are cont...There is another possibility, that people are content with these changes.<br /><br />We all have a morally upright, responsible side (living for the future) and a lazy, pleasure seeking side (living for the present). In a degenerate society the lazy side predominates. We live in such a degenerate society.<br /><br />I doubt that people now would reject no strings attached abortion and divorce at will, even if the elite allowed them that option. Without these things life just got a little too strict and difficult. <br /><br />Stronger punishments ? Tough one. Would definitely split down class lines. Lower classes/ethnics would support it. Elite and middle/upper class would probably be against it. On balance I think stronger punishments would get voted in on a referendum.<br /><br />Feminism ? Hard to say. Not really one defined policy. All of the handouts and give aways associated with feminism (social security for single mums, maternity leave etc) ? No way are people giving that up.<br /><br />Immigration ? Hard to say. 20 years ago with a fair referendum, I think it would have been beaten easily. Now ? Not so sure. Ethnics will all vote for immigration until they feel comfortable in society. "More of me and less of you ?" Yes they will vote for that. And mainstream Aussies ? A lot of them are subliminally aware that their doubled house prices are entirely due to immigration. The fact that this has priced their kids out ? They don't give a fuck. Plus status whoring, not looking like a bigot, perception that immigration = growth.<br /><br />As I said a degenerate society.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com